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Police warn fans to behave ahead of Palace v Charlton
FOOTBALL fans who engage in violence have been warned they could face jail ahead of tonight's south east London derby.
British Transport Police officers will be out in force for the game tonight between Crystal Palace and Charlton Athletic at Selhurst Park - which is expected to draw a 15,000 strong crowd.
At last year's fixture, fighting broke out on a train carrying Charlton Athletic supporters and members of the public including women, children and the elderly.
So far 10 Crystal Palace fans have been jailed for between 24 months to 40 months for their part in the disorder - described by the courts as "mob conduct at its worst".
They were also given football banning orders ranging from six to 10 years - preventing them from attending football matches in England and Wales and from entering any pub in the borough of Croydon during home matches.
They are also prevented from travelling on trains on any day when England or Crystal Palace play.
BTP football liaison officer PC Lee Garrett said: "This should serve as a stern warning to any football supporter who wants to engage in hooligan behaviour.
"The courts treat these incidents extremely seriously and if you engage in such offences you can expect to face jail and or be banned from attending matches."
He added: "We hope that fans will behave themselves during this fixture, although we're conscious that it's the first time the two sides have met at Selhurst Park since a serious disorder incident last year.
"We will have officers out in force across the rail network, including police dogs and the public order unit, and will be working with colleagues from the Met to ensure that fans get to and from the match in safety and that any potential trouble is dealt with as swiftly as possible."
8:31am Tuesday 30th September 2008
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CommentPosted by: Mark, Dartford on 9:22am Tue 30 Sep 08
What a waste of police time, to look after morons.
It's a game, not important.
What a waste of police time, to look after morons.
It's a game, not important.
Posted by: Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott, The Terrace on 9:47am Tue 30 Sep 08
Surely it is not the football FANS that cause the trouble but idiots who simply turn up for a fight.
Though not a football enthusiast myself, I imagine it must be annoying for real fans to be grouped under the same heading as morons whose idea of a good day out is fighting rival dummies.
[bold]Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott[/bold]
Surely it is not the football FANS that cause the trouble but idiots who simply turn up for a fight.
Though not a football enthusiast myself, I imagine it must be annoying for real fans to be grouped under the same heading as morons whose idea of a good day out is fighting rival dummies.
Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott Posted by: Excalibur, Bromley on 9:57am Tue 30 Sep 08
Ah, a good old fashioned appeal to the moronic soccer fan to behave himself. One problem though - the average soccer fan is borderline illiterate.
And what sanctions do we give these morons when they assault people and destroy property? A long stretch inside? No, we reward them with a "football banning order", meaning they don't have to watch a bunch of prima donnas playing a dull an insipid game. Some punishment that is!
Ah, a good old fashioned appeal to the moronic soccer fan to behave himself. One problem though - the average soccer fan is borderline illiterate.
And what sanctions do we give these morons when they assault people and destroy property? A long stretch inside? No, we reward them with a "football banning order", meaning they don't have to watch a bunch of prima donnas playing a dull an insipid game. Some punishment that is!
Posted by: Fred on 10:09am Tue 30 Sep 08
I don't know why people get so worked up about it anyway. It's only Palace v Charlton. It's only a second rate match at best. It's not like it's an important London derby. I don't see why people are so bothered about fighting over which team is the least mediocre. Maybe the violence is just fighting for fighting's sake, or maybe it's fake rivalry to compensate for there not being any proper football clashes around here. It's hardly AC vs Inter Milan is it?
I don't know why people get so worked up about it anyway. It's only Palace v Charlton. It's only a second rate match at best. It's not like it's an important London derby. I don't see why people are so bothered about fighting over which team is the least mediocre. Maybe the violence is just fighting for fighting's sake, or maybe it's fake rivalry to compensate for there not being any proper football clashes around here. It's hardly AC vs Inter Milan is it?
Posted by: matt, England on 10:22am Tue 30 Sep 08
[italic]italic[/italic] someone isnt getting any in the bedroom department..
how can you say that about all football fans you obviously havn't got a clue. some people make me laugh [italic]italic[/italic] [italic]italic[/italic]
someone isnt getting any in the bedroom department..
how can you say that about all football fans you obviously havn't got a clue. some people make me laugh
Posted by: Chris Thompson, Kettering on 10:23am Tue 30 Sep 08
Not one to generalise then Excalibur? For your information,the average football fan is an honest law abiding citizen.Soccer is an American word by the way,so put your own house in order before making disparaging,holier-t
han-thou comments.A dull,insipid game eh? Please explain its universal appeal.Your jealousy of the players' lifestyle is all too apparent.What a sad person you are.
Not one to generalise then Excalibur? For your information,the average football fan is an honest law abiding citizen.Soccer is an American word by the way,so put your own house in order before making disparaging,holier-t
han-thou comments.A dull,insipid game eh? Please explain its universal appeal.Your jealousy of the players' lifestyle is all too apparent.What a sad person you are.
Posted by: Fred on 10:33am Tue 30 Sep 08
Actually Chris, soccer is an English word. It comes from asSOCiation football, originally used to differentiate it from other games.
Actually Chris, soccer is an English word. It comes from asSOCiation football, originally used to differentiate it from other games.
Posted by: The Real Me, Here on 11:53am Tue 30 Sep 08
[quote][bold]Fred[/bold] wrote:
Actually Chris, soccer is an English word. It comes from asSOCiation football, originally used to differentiate it from other games.[/quote] Im a model you know what I mean
And I do my little turn on the catwalk
Yeah on the catwalk on the catwalk yeah
I shake my little touche on the catwalk
Fred wrote:
Actually Chris, soccer is an English word. It comes from asSOCiation football, originally used to differentiate it from other games.
Im a model you know what I mean
And I do my little turn on the catwalk
Yeah on the catwalk on the catwalk yeah
I shake my little touche on the catwalk
Posted by: Chris Thompson, Kettering on 12:50pm Tue 30 Sep 08
I can assure you Fred,soccer is an american word as 'football' to them is what we refer to as American football.There has never been any need in this country for an alternative word.Rugby football has always been known as rugby.
I can assure you Fred,soccer is an american word as 'football' to them is what we refer to as American football.There has never been any need in this country for an alternative word.Rugby football has always been known as rugby.
Posted by: Fred on 12:56pm Tue 30 Sep 08
Chris, no, you're wrong. The use of the word soccer may be American now but its origin is very much English.
The most commonly held origin for it is this:
"The accepted origin of the word "soccer" is that its a contraction of the word "Association" with reference to "Association Football". The Football Association was formed in October 1863 when the rules were standardised by a meeting of eleven clubs. With one of the written rules now being that the carrying of the ball was not permitted this finally set in stone the biggest practical different between Association Football and Rugby Football. In 1889 the word as "socca", later it was "socker" in 1891 and finally seemed to settle on "soccer" by 1895. The word is supposed to have evolved in University slang, created by shortening the word "Association" and adding "er". They had other expressions such as "brekkers" for "breakfast" and "rugger" for "rugby."
Another view is that it is to do with the word 'sock'.
Either way it is most definitely an English word.
Chris, no, you're wrong. The use of the word soccer may be American now but its origin is very much English.
The most commonly held origin for it is this:
"The accepted origin of the word "soccer" is that its a contraction of the word "Association" with reference to "Association Football". The Football Association was formed in October 1863 when the rules were standardised by a meeting of eleven clubs. With one of the written rules now being that the carrying of the ball was not permitted this finally set in stone the biggest practical different between Association Football and Rugby Football. In 1889 the word as "socca", later it was "socker" in 1891 and finally seemed to settle on "soccer" by 1895. The word is supposed to have evolved in University slang, created by shortening the word "Association" and adding "er". They had other expressions such as "brekkers" for "breakfast" and "rugger" for "rugby."
Another view is that it is to do with the word 'sock'.
Either way it is most definitely an English word.
Posted by: Joe, Bromley on 1:20pm Tue 30 Sep 08
[quote][bold]Chris Thompson[/bold] wrote:
Not one to generalise then Excalibur? For your information,the average football fan is an honest law abiding citizen.Soccer is an American word by the way,so put your own house in order before making disparaging,holier-t
han-thou comments.A dull,insipid game eh? Please explain its universal appeal.Your jealousy of the players' lifestyle is all too apparent.What a sad person you are.[/quote] How wrong you are! Soccer is VERY English - it comes from Association football, which was shortened to soc. football, which became soccer, like rugby became rugger.
So, Chris, you FAIL!
Chris Thompson wrote:
Not one to generalise then Excalibur? For your information,the average football fan is an honest law abiding citizen.Soccer is an American word by the way,so put your own house in order before making disparaging,holier-t
han-thou comments.A dull,insipid game eh? Please explain its universal appeal.Your jealousy of the players' lifestyle is all too apparent.What a sad person you are.
How wrong you are! Soccer is VERY English - it comes from Association football, which was shortened to soc. football, which became soccer, like rugby became rugger.
So, Chris, you FAIL!
Posted by: David, H Block on 1:21pm Tue 30 Sep 08
[quote][bold]Fred[/bold] wrote:
Chris, no, you\'re wrong. The use of the word soccer may be American now but its origin is very much English. The most commonly held origin for it is this: \"The accepted origin of the word \"soccer\" is that its a contraction of the word \"Association\" with reference to \"Association Football\". The Football Association was formed in October 1863 when the rules were standardised by a meeting of eleven clubs. With one of the written rules now being that the carrying of the ball was not permitted this finally set in stone the biggest practical different between Association Football and Rugby Football. In 1889 the word as \"socca\", later it was \"socker\" in 1891 and finally seemed to settle on \"soccer\" by 1895. The word is supposed to have evolved in University slang, created by shortening the word \"Association\" and adding \"er\". They had other expressions such as \"brekkers\" for \"breakfast\" and \"rugger\" for \"rugby.\" Another view is that it is to do with the word \'sock\'. Either way it is most definitely an English word.[/quote] An education!
My Prediction Charlton to win 1-0 like we have done during the last 3 visits to Selhurst!
I shall be in attendance in the Charlton end, I am looking forward to the Simon Jordan abuse that shall be dished out as well! RED ARMY!
Fred wrote:
Chris, no, you\'re wrong. The use of the word soccer may be American now but its origin is very much English. The most commonly held origin for it is this: \"The accepted origin of the word \"soccer\" is that its a contraction of the word \"Association\" with reference to \"Association Football\". The Football Association was formed in October 1863 when the rules were standardised by a meeting of eleven clubs. With one of the written rules now being that the carrying of the ball was not permitted this finally set in stone the biggest practical different between Association Football and Rugby Football. In 1889 the word as \"socca\", later it was \"socker\" in 1891 and finally seemed to settle on \"soccer\" by 1895. The word is supposed to have evolved in University slang, created by shortening the word \"Association\" and adding \"er\". They had other expressions such as \"brekkers\" for \"breakfast\" and \"rugger\" for \"rugby.\" Another view is that it is to do with the word \'sock\'. Either way it is most definitely an English word.
An education!
My Prediction Charlton to win 1-0 like we have done during the last 3 visits to Selhurst!
I shall be in attendance in the Charlton end, I am looking forward to the Simon Jordan abuse that shall be dished out as well! RED ARMY!
Posted by: Joe, Bromley on 1:24pm Tue 30 Sep 08
[quote][bold]Chris Thompson[/bold] wrote:
I can assure you Fred,soccer is an american word as 'football' to them is what we refer to as American football.There has never been any need in this country for an alternative word.Rugby football has always been known as rugby.[/quote] Again you are wrong, many of the old rugby clubs are still referred to as football clubs. Blackheath, for example, is still officially Blackheath Football club, even tho its a rugby club and always has been.
So again.... FAIL!
Chris Thompson wrote:
I can assure you Fred,soccer is an american word as 'football' to them is what we refer to as American football.There has never been any need in this country for an alternative word.Rugby football has always been known as rugby.
Again you are wrong, many of the old rugby clubs are still referred to as football clubs. Blackheath, for example, is still officially Blackheath Football club, even tho its a rugby club and always has been.
So again.... FAIL!
Posted by: Charlton Fan, London on 1:29pm Tue 30 Sep 08
Fred
Just because the clubs involved are smaller than AC Milan or Inter Milan, and the quality of football lesser, it does not mean the respective fans are any less passionate! This game DOES matter to Charlton and Palace fans as there has been a lot of recent history between the clubs and this is a genuine rivalry to compete with most other rivalries within the game; it's just not on the same scale as say a Tottenham/Arsenal.
Of course this does not excuse the violence. I'm hoping that tonight's game will pass without any trouble but I seriously doubt it as there are too many idiots in this world! The word 'hate' is often thrown around by Charlton and Palace fans. To these people, how about reserving hate for people who deserve it, such as Robert Mugabe, not someone in a different football shirt!
Fred
Just because the clubs involved are smaller than AC Milan or Inter Milan, and the quality of football lesser, it does not mean the respective fans are any less passionate! This game DOES matter to Charlton and Palace fans as there has been a lot of recent history between the clubs and this is a genuine rivalry to compete with most other rivalries within the game; it's just not on the same scale as say a Tottenham/Arsenal.
Of course this does not excuse the violence. I'm hoping that tonight's game will pass without any trouble but I seriously doubt it as there are too many idiots in this world! The word 'hate' is often thrown around by Charlton and Palace fans. To these people, how about reserving hate for people who deserve it, such as Robert Mugabe, not someone in a different football shirt!
Posted by: Fred on 1:38pm Tue 30 Sep 08
Well said Charlton Fan, let's hope the idiots stay at home tonight and the trouble is kept to a minimum. After recent history of this fixture though, it's hard to see it passing trouble-free.
My point about the rivalry earlier was just to say I don't understand it. Everton v Liverpool or Tottenham v Arsenal at least usually have some meaning. Whoever wins might win the league or win a place in Europe. Palace v Charlton though, what's the point? The two 'derbies' merely determine who might finish 12th and who might finish 13th in the second tier of English football. Big deal! It's hardly anything to boast about for either team. Or a derby win might mean one team is the 'biggest' in the whole of south east London. Again, big deal!
Well said Charlton Fan, let's hope the idiots stay at home tonight and the trouble is kept to a minimum. After recent history of this fixture though, it's hard to see it passing trouble-free.
My point about the rivalry earlier was just to say I don't understand it. Everton v Liverpool or Tottenham v Arsenal at least usually have some meaning. Whoever wins might win the league or win a place in Europe. Palace v Charlton though, what's the point? The two 'derbies' merely determine who might finish 12th and who might finish 13th in the second tier of English football. Big deal! It's hardly anything to boast about for either team. Or a derby win might mean one team is the 'biggest' in the whole of south east London. Again, big deal!
Posted by: charlton fan, woolwich on 1:58pm Tue 30 Sep 08
COME ON U REDS
Posted by: Charlton Fan, London on 2:09pm Tue 30 Sep 08
Fred
I can't agree with your argument I'm afraid. You're right that we aren't going to win the league, or become champions league winners, but we still care about beating our local rivals. Man City haven't seriously looked like challenging Man Utd for the title, but their fans still regard them as their main rivals. Same with Fulham fans who see Chelsea as their rivals. Ask a Leeds fan who he thinks is his club's rival and he will say 'Man Utd'. Work that one out!!
Fred
I can't agree with your argument I'm afraid. You're right that we aren't going to win the league, or become champions league winners, but we still care about beating our local rivals. Man City haven't seriously looked like challenging Man Utd for the title, but their fans still regard them as their main rivals. Same with Fulham fans who see Chelsea as their rivals. Ask a Leeds fan who he thinks is his club's rival and he will say 'Man Utd'. Work that one out!!
Posted by: Addick, on my way.. on 3:39pm Tue 30 Sep 08
you're right, Palace V Charlton is nothing like Arsenal V Tottenham or Liverpool V Everton. Both Charlton and Palace have loyal fans who support their local teams. Not on this glory hunting rubbish.
you're right, Palace V Charlton is nothing like Arsenal V Tottenham or Liverpool V Everton. Both Charlton and Palace have loyal fans who support their local teams. Not on this glory hunting rubbish.
Posted by: Fred on 3:54pm Tue 30 Sep 08
Just as well you're not interested in glory with you being a Charlton fan. Same applies to Palace.
Just as well you're not interested in glory with you being a Charlton fan. Same applies to Palace.
Posted by: RED ARMY on 3:59pm Tue 30 Sep 08
I'm glad it's not AC v Inter, Italian football is boring. BRING BACK CURBS!!!!!!
I'm glad it's not AC v Inter, Italian football is boring. BRING BACK CURBS!!!!!!
Posted by: EAGLESSSS FAN, SE25 on 4:26pm Tue 30 Sep 08
COME ON THE PALACE LETS DO THE ADDICTS. ITS NOT ABOUT THE FIGHTING ITS ABOUT THE DESIRE OF THE PLAYERS WANTING TO WIN. IT IS STILL A LONDON DERBY THOUGH EVEN IF IT IS NOT CHELSEA VS MILLWALL, BUT IT STILL MATTERS TO US...BOTH SETS OF FANS. IT DOES'NT REALLY MATTER ABOUT SWANSEA VS CARDIFF, BECAUSE THEM 2 TEAMS ARE NOTHING SPECIAL, BUT THEY STILL FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT THERE CLUB AND SO DO WE! COME ON THE RED N BLUE ARMY!!!!!![bold]bold[/bold]
COME ON THE PALACE LETS DO THE ADDICTS. ITS NOT ABOUT THE FIGHTING ITS ABOUT THE DESIRE OF THE PLAYERS WANTING TO WIN. IT IS STILL A LONDON DERBY THOUGH EVEN IF IT IS NOT CHELSEA VS MILLWALL, BUT IT STILL MATTERS TO US...BOTH SETS OF FANS. IT DOES'NT REALLY MATTER ABOUT SWANSEA VS CARDIFF, BECAUSE THEM 2 TEAMS ARE NOTHING SPECIAL, BUT THEY STILL FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT THERE CLUB AND SO DO WE! COME ON THE RED N BLUE ARMY!!!!!!
Posted by: Jesus, Heaven on 4:44pm Tue 30 Sep 08
Can you all please act like civil human beings, I'm getting a terrible ear ache up here
Can you all please act like civil human beings, I'm getting a terrible ear ache up here
Posted by: David, H Block on 5:04pm Tue 30 Sep 08
Many Miles Have I travelled Many Games Have I Seen Following Charlton my Fave Team, Many Miles Have I Spent In The Covered End Choir Singing Valley Floyd Road My Only Desire!!
COME ON YOU REDS!!!!
Many Miles Have I travelled Many Games Have I Seen Following Charlton my Fave Team, Many Miles Have I Spent In The Covered End Choir Singing Valley Floyd Road My Only Desire!!
COME ON YOU REDS!!!!
Posted by: londoner on 9:11pm Tue 30 Sep 08
COME ON U REDS
i agree with Addick, at least we have proper fans who support their local team unlike other people who which footie teams whoever is at top of premiership.
COME ON U REDS
i agree with Addick, at least we have proper fans who support their local team unlike other people who which footie teams whoever is at top of premiership.
Posted by: GOD, UP ERE on 10:11pm Tue 30 Sep 08
[quote][bold]Jesus[/bold] wrote:
Can you all please act like civil human beings, I'm getting a terrible ear ache up here [/quote] [bold]Go to your room son, and dont speak until your spoken to.[/bold]
Jesus wrote:
Can you all please act like civil human beings, I'm getting a terrible ear ache up here
Go to your room son, and dont speak until your spoken to. Posted by: Merchant Banker, Wall Street on 10:34pm Tue 30 Sep 08
I don't like going to these games. There are no prawn sandwiches and far too many working class folk making noise.
I don't like going to these games. There are no prawn sandwiches and far too many working class folk making noise.
Posted by: Steve, Cobham on 3:13am Wed 1 Oct 08
As, supposedly, most fans are law abiding etc,( yawn),why then, when there is trouble in and outside the ground, do the 'majority' not quash the trouble that's caused by the 'minority', they must outnumber them 50-1. Or is it called turning a blind eye?
Bit like cowards.
As, supposedly, most fans are law abiding etc,( yawn),why then, when there is trouble in and outside the ground, do the 'majority' not quash the trouble that's caused by the 'minority', they must outnumber them 50-1. Or is it called turning a blind eye?
Bit like cowards.
Posted by: josh wilson, charlton on 10:34am Thu 2 Oct 08
Tbh, i **** hate palace! Simon Jordan is a **** and so are there fans. Police are shitfaces.[bold]bold[/bold]
Tbh, i **** hate palace! Simon Jordan is a **** and so are there fans. Police are shitfaces.
Posted by: Eagle, Croydon on 6:16pm Thu 2 Oct 08
[quote][bold]josh wilson[/bold] wrote:
Tbh, i **** hate palace! Simon Jordan is a **** and so are there fans. Police are shitfaces.[bold]bold[/bold] [/quote] Sour grapes?
josh wilson wrote:
Tbh, i **** hate palace! Simon Jordan is a **** and so are there fans. Police are shitfaces.
Sour grapes?
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